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Student Loan Debt
  • Do you have student loan debt? Do you think it was worth it? How are you paying it off?
  • When I graduated in May 2009, I had a solid amount of student loan debt to face. While I know that $15k isn't the highest value for student loans, it was still a considerable sum to wrap my head around, especially because I didn't have many job prospects until that March. I think that my loans definitely lit a fire under my butt to find a job. I current work in Sales, which is something that I didn't see as my dream job (I had been hoping to find something in Development or Fundraising for a non-profit), but has since proven to be extremely rewarding. I don't know that I would have taken the job if I didn't know that I had to repay my loans, so my happiness at work is definitely one positive that came out of owing.

    Additionally, I do feel like my education is something that I can thank myself for, even just for the little bit that I'm now paying off. My family helped pay most of my tuition, I'll be honest, but now I can really appreciate the value of my education. School isn't cheap, but it does help you get farther ahead - my excellent education got me a job that allows me to be completely financially independent. Compromising on my education to avoid borrowing may have left me jobless post-graduation and given me no choice but to remain financially dependent upon my family. Financial independence is invaluable to me.

    Finally, my loans have helped me learn to budget and think about money differently. I understand how to think about my fixed costs each month and make decisions accordingly. Being sure to pay my loans each month on time has given me good credit and solid financial footing as I get older and prepare to take on additional financial responsibilities like home-ownership or a family (eventually!).

    I can see how it's hard in today's economy for students graduating with large loan sums and no job, so I am thankful to be employed and financially stable - I know that many others are facing more difficult situations. For any parents of students planning their college careers, I would suggest taking out even small loans to give their children a sense of financial responsibility after graduation. This ultimately pays dividends with regards to learning to plan, budget, and save money after graduating.
  • I know my student loan debt is worth it in terms of the education I received, but overall I think my school tuition was so expensive to provide funding to our football team, which undoubtedly is the money maker for the institution. When choosing a college, not a single one of my priorities for making the decision had to do with money. I wanted to go to a school with a good football team, that had sororities, that had all the things that put stars in the eyes of incoming freshmen... Now that I have graduated, I am faced with an uphill battle against my student loans. But I see it as a compromise...I am okay with being in debt from school because I had such an amazing college experience and education.

    The caveat to this is, I wish there had been something that would have gotten my attention as to how student loan debt would affect my future finances, mainly post-graduation. Financial aid at universities are so quick to let 18 and 19 year-olds sign loan documents without any explanation. After I graduated, I was shocked when I calculated my total loan obligations to be at $50,000. When did I sign these papers?? At least I have my wonderful education and memories to remind me where all that money went....
  • It's easy to rack up student loans without thinking much about it, so I have a funny way of keeping things in perspective. I compare the amount of the loan to the type of car I could buy with that money. $30k would buy me the Audi I want (used of course), but instead it's the student loan debt we have. Thinking of it that way keeps me motivated to make sacrifices now to pay off that debt quick, and when it's paid off, use the extra money to buy my dream car.
  • My parents were not able to help much with college expenses, but I knew that because I was so shy I would really fare better in a small, private college. Thus, I graduated with 60K of student loan debt, and a lot more confidence than I went in with. I honestly think I may not have grown as much as I did if I stuck to community colleges or a huge public school. I even studied in London for a semester!

    HOWEVER, It was really frustrating at first, realizing that I would never be able to be a starving artist or a full-time writer (I majored in English and Theater). I would instead have to LIVE like a starving artist, but work in a more professional (i.e. boring and stressful) field to be able to make my payments. Luckily, I got a big-kid job right out of college, and found roommates to live with for the next 5 years.

    I wouldn't trade my college experience for anything, but I do wish that I would have tried for more scholarships, or taken more classes at community colleges in the summers. Anything to cut costs and make that awesome experience more reasonably-priced!
  • I graduated from my undergraduate studies with around $70,000 in debt. I went to a private university on a half tuition scholarship, had a little help from my parents, and graduated early in order to keep the balance at that level.

    I've always been dedicated to a career in the public sector, even though my salary is extremely low, and my debt so high. I've also started back to school for my Master's and am looking at taking on another $60,000 in debt. While there is federal student loan debt forgiveness for 10 years of public service, there are so many "catches" to the legislation, that I most likely will not qualify for the program.

    I made some really stupid choices in regards to my undergraduate loans. I didn't understand what the concept of compounding interest was, and thus did not pay a cent on my loans until I went into repayment. Meanwhile, 5 years after graduating, I've barely touched the principle on my loans, and have only been paying the interest.

    I also didn't understand how payments were calculated, opting to pay the lowest amount possible, thinking that would help me with my budgeting. While taking a financial management course for my master's, I learned how to calculate loan payments. Looking at paying off my loans in 10 years from now (so, 15 years total on the undergraduate loans), I realized my monthly loan payments were roughly HALF the payment amount needed to pay off the loans. Realizing that felt like getting hit over the head with a ton of bricks.

    Now, I have taken control of my loans, making payments that fit my financial plan. While I know I still need to take on additional loans for my graduate studies, I'm being more proactive and seeking scholarships and saving to pay more money up front, so I never have to pay interest on it. I also choose a graduate program that I could complete part-time, allowing me to continue working full-time.

    My takeaway from all this, is that while student loans are necessary for so many to go to the schools that they want or need to go to, there can be more efforts at informing students about what this means for their future. In the ways that recent legislation has made credit card debt more understandable, the same principles could be applied to student loans. I'm not sure about anyone else here, but if on my interest statements I got in school, if it had said "Pay $20 now, or owe $2,000 in 4 years," I think I might have made a different decision.
  • i went through law school with 'only' 36K of debt b/c i decided to study abroad (WONDERFUL experience and law school is so much more cheap abroad!). I plan to pay the debt off by next year b/c i recall so many lawyers at my law firm tell me (while i was a paralegal) to not get used to the salary you make. i think most people learn to live within their means and begin to believe they can't live without what they're used to. when i eventually got a job (that took awhile) or promotion, i've been budgeting so not to get used to the salary i actually make. i pay off a significantly larger amount than my minimum student loan payment each month and the amount/goal i want to spend for that month's student loan repayment FIRST determines my spending budget for the rest of the month. it's true that i kinda live as i did when i first started my career - i'm married with no kiddos yet...and perhaps we look like we live in a clean frat house, BUT, once the debt is gone, i would have saved much more in interest that i never had to pay! ...and i don't feel tied to my job. it's so liberating.
  • I just discovered that my teaching position qualified me for debt cancellation (Stafford and Perkins). I never planned on teaching, but a major life change (one that required me to take in and raise my younger sister) threw me into the position. I picked it to have a similar schedule to her and for the health and retirement benefits. I never knew that I would get $15000 worth of student loan debt erased. I'm am not even certified (that's not a requirement in most cases) and the whole process took less than 10 days from me printing the application to my balance showing up as 0! And boy did that feel great! My only regret is that I didnt know about this option 3 years ago...it could have saved me another $3000.
  • In response to Margaret St John's post, I completely agree about the need for financial education before the end of college. I was recently asked to fill out a survey from my university, a private school that left me in quite a bit of debt. College was invaluable to me in a many ways, not only for my career but also for the majority of the wonderful friends still in my life. Unfortunately, the debt is having a significant effect on my goals as an artist. The final question on the survey was "If you could do it all over again, would you choose this school?" And sadly I answered, "yes for the experience, but not for the money." I went on to talk about how helpful a freshman seminar on loans would be. Ironically, the school has become so expensive because of their low endowment rate. Most students go on to life in the arts and social services, so often do not have a good amount of money to donate back.
    But at 18 when applying to college, I would have loved someone to sit me down and explain the ins and outs of loans and if my school's tuition was practical for my career path. 50k of debt is very impracticable to tackle as a NYC actress. I have been focusing on almost anything but acting since I graduated, which unfortunately is my most realistic choice, especially in this economy. But I'm hoping that will change soon, and that my school takes the suggestion to heart. Perhaps then more students in my position will have a game plan before graduation.
  • I have a student loan for almost 11K right now. I graduated in May of 2008 and made minimum payments for the first year. I had a good job and was just enjoying having money for the first time in my life. As soon as I started making higher payments, I lost my job and didn't find another one for the next 8 months. After that I got an unpaid internship and a part time job that was paying me $11 an hour. Barely making any money so my payments were even smaller. This last year I've finally gotten a real job, making 42K a year. Pathetic salary, after taxes it's about 30K. My rent and bills are $1000 a month. I want to save to buy an apt in the next 2-3 years but I keep looking at that loan and a part of me just wants to spend all of my savings on it and get that balance as small as possible. But the fear of losing my job and being down back to 0 keeps me from doing that.

    I just don't know how to begin tackling it. If i keep paying $150 on it every month I'll be done with it in 7 years! That is insanity. What do you guys recommend?
  • Hey - I totally understand what you're going through. Trust me, living in a city makes my decent salary hardly enough to pay for rent and bills. Just remember that student loan debt isn't considered bad debt so it won't make your credit score go down when you do save enough for a condo. Personally, I'd rather pay the measly interest on my student loan debt while still saving for a condo because once you save and buy the condo, your not paying someone else for rent that is going down the drain. I'd suggest save enough to have an emergency nest (they say 7 months but I really don't know if that's possible in real life) so at LEAST a few months and then focus on the student loan. Every year put a chunk of your taxes or bonus money on it. Don't get overwhelmed by it, chip away at it and it will get more and more manageable. You can do it!
  • @TiffanyAmy: Check to see if you can give "special instructions" for your loan payments. Many school loans will let you apply payments to the principal if you request it. If you can decrease your principal, then you can slow the rate at which your interest increases your loan amount. Also, check out the link to the debt calculator I pasted below. :)

    @coralgirly16: I would not use your savings to pay off a loan unless the interest rate of the school loan far exceeds the interest you earn on your savings. Even then, I wouldn't recommend depleting your entire EMERGENCY savings account. I would also check out this debt calculator: http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/debtplanner/debtplanner.jsp

    It's so much fun, and you might be surprised to find out the results. For example: If you have an $11,000 loan with a 6.8% interest rate, and you want to pay it off in 3.5 years, you only have to pay $293.38 per month! Also, make sure to ask your loan provider if they can apply your entire payment (or the amount you pay above the minimum payment) to the principal. :)

    I hope that helps! Have fun taking control and deciding how you want to eliminate your debt. :D
  • Wow, Reading these comments makes me feel even worse. My husband graduated from pharmacy school almost 2 years ago......Our student loans are so high. I have been trying really hard to pay extra, we also put our whole tax return on our loans. After all of this we just got it under $100,000.....We are at about $98,000. Talk about it is going to take forever to pay this back. So so frustrating. I really wish that there were scholarships you could apply for, after graduating from school, that you could apply to student loans!!!!
  • I have 104k in student debt and I am paying down a mortgage...am I crazy for doing this? I feel like this was the absolute best time to purchase a house I just need some insight and any kind of feedback
  • @arking@liberty.edu: I don't think you are crazy for buying a house while still having student loan debt. I did that and so have many others!

    However, without knowing more information, it's hard to say whether you are doing the best thing by paying extra on your mortgage and not your student loans. (I am assuming that is what you mean, that you are making extra payments to your mortgage but not your loans.) It would depend on many factors: the interest rates on both loans, the amount of debt on your home, and just your general financial situation.

    For me, my loans are at a higher interest rate and total a smaller amount of debt than my mortgage. It makes the most sense for me to focus on paying down my student loans, because of the higher rate and because they'll be paid off sooner (since I owe less), which will free up additional cash flow faster.
  • Yeah I have A LOT of student debt. Partly because I was young and did not have ANY clue about money. All I knew was the I needed to go to college and my parents did not have money and that college was a business so therefore I borrow money that I would later have to pay back. Simple. WRONG. I was not properly informed at the young age of 17 of different lenders and good vs. bad APR. I could have been guided more by my couselors in that department but instead was just encouraged to apply to any bank for loans. My parents are not money smart either so when I graduated and couldn't find work I was did not receive any mercy from these banks. They continue to raise my interest even when I told them I had no income. I don't understand how this could be done to the future of America. I hope to one day create an institution such as Learnvest that helps youth choose wisely on student loans, but hopefully provides options that they can avoid that trap all together.
  • I'm still in school and I have already racked up $23,000 dollars in student loan debt, but listening to everyone's stories has been so informative. The advice everyone has offered is truly invaluable and I will definitely immediately start taking a deeper look into my financial situation and how to bring my debt down now and in the future.
  • YES I have student loan debt. A lot. When I hear of people with $20,000, $50,000, etc all I think is, that's chump change. And that isn't in a mean way, I'm secretly jealous. How about this...I got out of law school with $275,000 in student loan debt. Yes, the comma is in the correct place - $275,000.00. My sister and brother-in-law bought their condo for much less. That means, my husband and I basically have 2 mortgages. I got out of law school in mid-2010 and have paid off $100,000 thus far, thanks to my GENEROUS hubby who had some money saved up. Sometimes I can't believe he even wanted to marry me. As it stands I have $170,000 left to pay off. We pay over $2,000.00 per month in loan payments, which is more than our mortgage. Here's what happened: I went to community college, then transferred to a private university where I spent 3 years. My parents paid for part of that so I left college with about $40,000 in debt. Then 3 years of law school, maxing out my loans at roughly $65,000 - $70,000 per year. I can't believe how stupid I was. But now, I'm working as hard as I can to get that debt off the books. Be smart people. Thank goodness for places like LearnVest, I just wish you were around a little earlier. :)
  • We have a situation much like TiffanyAmy above. My husband went to law school, and that combined with undergrad resulted in about $120k in student debt. While that MIGHT fly with a booming civilian attorney, my husband opted to join the Marine Corps, and makes a salary of about half that of his civilian counterparts. We move often, so even though I have my nursing degree, more often than not, I cannot find work because we are not in one city long enough, or we've recently had a baby, or he's deploying and I can't find it in me to work and be away from home and children while he's deployed too. I've been searching for anything that I can do from home, be it nursing related or otherwise, and have not found anyone that is hiring for telework. The federal student loan forgiveness program available to service jobs MAY be a possibility for him, however, the application process is so incredibly involved, and he doesn't have the time to even sit down and do it. I will be beginning that process shortly with my power of attorney. Hopefully that will prove fruitful.
    The end result is that we are laden with outrageous payments each month, we move ever few years, we spend more to buy and sell homes or rent and move and set up home again, and have not been able to add to retirement in about 4 years. It's a suffocating, helpless feeling. Not looking forward to the process of the student loan forgiveness application, but interested to see if he is eligible.
  • ok, finally i now read about folks who also have OVER 100k of student loan debt!!! no offense to those who have less than that cause it still sucks, but now i don't feel like the only idiot who borrowed too much and was too clueless to realize the consequences until too late. and i'm not calling the high borrowers idiots - i was just feeling like i was the only one in that position. anyhow, @danielle1 fill out all the paperwork for the public sector work loan forgiveness, do it for your husband. i wonder if it's retroactive? seriously, it will be a huge relief in 10 years time to just be rid of those loans! your husband is in active duty and any help you can help with it will do wonders for you and your family. my loans are scheduled to finish payoff in 24 years. 24 years vs 10 years - it's easy math. it will be worth it for you and yoru family. my job isn't qualifiable in a public sector - i looked into it when i started paying back my loans.

    my husband and i have $20k saved for an apt fund. we are wondering if it makes sense to just throw that into my private loan to wipe it out. i would still have $120k in my federal loans to pay off, but that interest is fixed due to consolidation at 3.6%. i figure i could at least increase my monthly payments by throwing in the private loans payments with the minimum federal loan payments. however, am i missing out by not keeping the apt savings? we essentially need $100k saved for a downpayment in nyc. not sure if that is just not a viable option for us and would make more sense to just rent forever? as a large mortgage seems like it would be rather daunting in addition to the loan payment.

    as an aside - i'm also finding it ridiculous that my design job pays so little even with 6 years of work experience, but the masters degree cost me a $200k. i've been trying to find a new job and after some offers, apparently my current job pays more than what most other firms would pay a new hire at my experience level. wtf.

    @murphy15 - hopefully you are taking advantage of your law degree and getting paid well to finish off those loans! good luck!


  • Thank you to everyone who has over $100,000 in student loan debt for sharing! It's encouraging to read these articles, but it's also discouraging because if I had $20,000 in student loan debt, I could do this too!

    It's such a struggle for me to make ends meet every month, and I make a decent salary. I had three jobs at one point and that made things manageable, but my full-time job was suffering because I couldn't give it the time it needed. Now that I've spent some time investing in my career, it's a struggle to find a part-time job that's flexible enough to allow me to pay off my debt.

    There just doesn't seem to be a way out. It's a vicious cycle because you need to have a degree to get a decent job, but you almost can't get an education without going into debt because it's so unbelievably expensive.
  • I am very excited that LearnVest is having that $1,000 giveaway for student loan debt. I am wondering does anyone know of any other companies that do giveaways for student loan debt? It would be so nice if credit card companies, big retailers, etc. etc. would do these type of giveaways. I would be entering for all of them.
  • While I am happy to see I am not the only one who has racked over 100K in student loan debt because it makes me feel less alone to read these accounts, I am saddened that we are all in this place. There are days where I feel completely overwhelmed and see no way out of my financial situation. I was also laid off last October and have used most of my savings to help out during this time. While I did take time off (no one is really hiring for the holidays anyway except temporary retail work) I started seriously looking once again in January. Silly me, I thought I would find something right away. Well, it is now April and I have officially been unemployed for six months. I am still paying Sallie Mae $310 every month because I have run out of deferments. I have spoken with numerous people there in an effort to have them understand my situation.
    While I blame no one but myself for the financial mess I have created, I feel it is ridiculous that I have absolutely no options but to give Sallie Mae a quarter of my unemployment each month while I am just trying to survive in the interim of no work.
    I love this site, I feel like it gives great advice, but I am also feeling like I don't belong on it. I am currently struggling so much I can't even put money into savings.
    My previous position was a Sales position for a start up. I have no desire to get back into that game. I worked up to 70 hours a week every week and never had any weekends off. I have been looking for positions in other fields and I am either over or under qualified. Also, if I get a job that is less than what my unemployment pays it isn't worth it because I get the money from that paycheck plus the difference from unemployment.
    All in all, I feel that I should have gone to school part time and worked my way through it no matter how long it took. I feel like I was duped by my financial "advisers" because I was told I needed that money to finish school and the best way was through loans. I know I should have asked more questions and not trusted them as much. But they were my advisers, what 18 year old wouldn't? I do not feel that my education was worth the financial misery I am in now.
  • SarahAshley, what program are you referring to? It sounds like something I should look into! Thanks for sharing!
  • I have over 40k in student loan debt and no degree to show for it. Because of life I had to make a lot of detours on my quest for higher education. I was on my way to a bachelors degree but when I asked for a small time off from the online school I was attending they withdrew me instead. This left me with a 2400.00 debt that I cannot pay off so now the 64 credits I have there are being held ransom till I pay it back and I just found out that the pell grants I was going to use at my local school so that I would cut out adding more SL debt to my life is also no longer available due to the changes in the grants passed late last year.
  • @jhy: I may be alone in this, but I would absolutely NOT undertake a mortgage when you have this kind of debt! I think that home ownership is highly over-rated... sure, you can build equity, but that doesn't help for a LONG, long time, and it doesn't help at all if you end up defaulting or selling your house for less than what you bought it for! Plus, when you own, you have all the maintenance expenses that are "built in" to rent, which come straight out of your pocket when you own.

    I would def recommend putting that money to clear out your private loan. I did the same thing (on a much smaller scale) when we had a bit left over from a personal loan, and I've never regretted it. 3.6% is a great interest rate, get rid of the loan that is higher than that. :)
  • Also, @Heatheromaine, and everyone else: Sallie Mae (and I think other servicers of federal loans? Are there other servicers?) has what's called an IBR, or Income-Based Repayment plan. It's exactly what it sounds like. If you have zero income, you owe $0 per month. It's not a deferment, either. It just restructures your loan based on the idea that you will make more a year from now... so they do a year of $0, and then the next year you jump up to higher payments. But you can re-apply every year, and they'll just adjust based on your income. I worked 2 years at Jack in the Box and that whole time I was on an IBR with a $0 a month payment. It doesn't stop interest from accruing, but it does free up some money when you're desperate! I've never been able to find it on their website, but if you call, they will send you an application.
  • I have been lucky enough to attend some of the finest academic institutions in NYC. I have a BA, 2 MA's and soon a PhD from the top department in the nation. I also have 300k in student loans. I love being a university professor and relished in every moment of being a student. But seeing as I am severely under-employed and can't even get temp agencies to respond to my resume for administrative work, I don't know if I would make the same decision. I guess I was lofty in my 20's and now practical in my early 30's!
  • I do have student loan debt. At this point, I feel it is worth it so far as I am still climbing up in my career. I would be cautious to take on more than the ~$20,000 I currently have.
  • I think about my student loan debt all the time, and I am not even finished with school! I managed to graduate from my public undergraduate school with hardly any debt (>$2k). I have made up for that with enormous graduate student loans (around $100k) so I could attend the best school for my field of study in the country - of course, private. I panic every time I think about the debt. Considering how things are going with the economy, I worry that I'll not be able to find a job when I graduate next year. I, too, wonder if I am a total idiot for willingly signing up for this...

    Neither of my parents went to college, so I had to figure how to finance my education with minimal assistance. Thankfully, a fantastic counselor in high school told me all about federal direct loans, so I didn't get in trouble with the private loan market.

    I can rationalize my decision to take on this amount of debt because I know I've always wanted to go into public service, and so I'll probably be eligible for the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program. My plan is to consolidate after graduation, find a job in the public sector or at a 501(c)(3), select the income-based loan repayment plan, and start making my 120 payments.

    Does anyone here have experience paying off Direct Federal Student Loans under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program? Is it manageable? I assume that I'll start out next year making anything from $35k - $50k. With the income-based loan repayment plan, my payments will be approximately $300-$500 each month.

    In the end, I have to stand by my decision. I am happy with my graduate program. I feel confident that I will be prepared for the competitive workforce. I can't help but feel sorry, though, that our educational system requires ambitious people to take on such massive amounts of debt.
  • I am graduating next year and I wish that I had understood loans and their repayment method earlier in life. For the price of my loans, I could have purchased a car or started saving for a house :( At least I know now for graduate school next year.
  • I'm in the six digit club too. I just finished my master's and have $220k in loans. My profession is in demand and I'll likely start at a salary around $85-90k, but that debt is intimidating! My family encouraged me to take it on, but now I'm wishing someone had suggested a cheaper school. I've talked to recent grads of my program and no one is having difficulty paying thankfully. I'm sure the reputation and quality of education will pay off, but for now I'm fighting off the panic attacks :)
  • I wonder if all this student loan debt will prevent the economy from rebounding. It seems there is a big movement towards frugality as a result of these enormous loan payments. I wonder about the impact it will have in this decade. As the millennials age and perhaps continue their "cheap" ways, will the economy ever recover?

    I'm about 27,000 deep. I think if the interest rates were about 3-4% instead of 6.8% I would have a much easier time at it. As is I'm paying about 1,500 a year in interest! And I've already accrued 3,500 in interest while I was in school.
  • I'm in at about 52K with close to a dozen separate loans, some federal, some private, bunched together by Sallie Mae. Interest rates range from 3.4% to 9.625% (EEEK!!!) And of course, my loans that are upwards of 4k are the higher interest ones. I'm slightly relieved to know that I'm not the one in the most debt. What stinks is that even though I started paying on the interest during school, I feel like it didn't make a difference at all. :/ At least we're all in the same boat!
  • I graduated from undergrad with no loans, but law school gave me almost $100k worth. Before I graduated from law school I had this grandiose plan to pay off all of my law school loans in 4 years. 4 years later, I still owe a little over $80k.

    My credit is good (over 700) I own a condo and a car so I guess I'm not pressed about paying off my student loans. Yes - I will pay more in the long run by using the 15 years Sallie Mae has given me to pay them, but I want to enjoy life while I'm still old enough to enjoy it. So - my plan is to pay my monthly payments and then pay an extra $100-200 per month on the loan with the highest interest rate. I figure that I'll save a few dollars in interest but not stress myself out by being broke from pouring all my money into student loans.
  • I started out with about $47,000 in student loans when I got too financially strapped and quit school to work full time. Thankfully, I chose a public service career. Though I make $30,000 and haven't had a raise in three years, I love my job and it's allowed me to have $7,000 in Perkins Loans cancelled due to working in public service. I also plan to pay back my loans on income based repayment and then have the balance cancelled after 120 payments. In ten years, I'll have paid back about $23,000 in total. Not bad for 5 years of school I guess.

    I also thought about finishing school. If income based repayment caps your payment amount, and my loans will be cancelled after 120 payments, could I technically finish school for free?
  • i hope this might encourage those of us in this boat to get out of it together. This topic has been on my mind for too long and after weeks of reading hundreds of blogs I think it's a good time to get this out of my chest. this is the beginning of my journey to control my debt.

    I am a pharmacist who graduated a year ago with $250,000 (210k from grad, 40 undergrad) and for about a month I was getting panic attacks so often and severe I was on the verge of insanity and self destruction. I went to see a psychiatrist one morning because I just didn't didn't see a way out and knew I needed some immediate help to regain normalcy so that I could balance my thoughts and start to accept reality and move on with realistic plans. I had become so hopeless and desperate I thought about going door to door asking neighbors to help me get my loans under control, taking on odd jobs at night after work and working 7 days a week until i realized how hard it actually is to carry that through with physical and mental limitations on how much work can actually be accomplished and whether finding such work is even a possibility.

    stress: Having had good control and stress management abilities for most of my life, this situation had made me feel completely out of control. I realize that regrets won't help with solving the problem and that I need to accept the fact that I've repressed the loan situation too deep, too long. I also need to accept the fact that the only way to dig out of this is through time and persistence; also, that no one will feel sorry for me nor will do anything about and that I must gain confidence in the face of this massive debt to be able to live life to the fullest now, and even better in the future as this loan gets chipped away slowly.

    Fear: it all started one afternoon when I wanted to internalize thoughts and simply couldn't process having to pay these loans and be able to maintain even a lifestyle at near poverty levels. my thoughts became irrational, fearing every opportunity and fearing that exaggerating every illness with a terminal cause due to the stress that I've felt. I started to make excuses to become fearful and my rationality has completely disappeared as a result. Watching the interest grow and getting or anticipating repayment letters triggers mini panic attacks every time. It is not until recently have I started to gain track, not without its difficulties, to a future that is sustainable and with hope.

    numbers: so it's always useful to crunch some numbers and lets face it when we're 18 we wanted to become what we wanted to and didn't care a thing in regards to interest rates, taxes, repayment terms. I currently make around 90,000K a year, which is decent for a new grad in my field and I take home approx 4800 a month after taxes. I am in forbearance on my loans. I owe 220000 on federal loans most at 6.8% and 30000 in private loans at about 5%. Under the 25 year plan I would pay approx 1700 a month; Under the income based repayment plan I would be paying about 1300 a month. after taking out loan payments at IBR rate, modest living ($650 rent, 100 utilities, $450 on food, 250 car payment 150 gas and 200 for misc) i'm left with approx $1100. That really isn't too bad, but considering I need to keep this up for 25 years, with steady job security, that's when everything becomes hard to accept. Now every time I panic I wanted to find a solution that will help me find hope; this includes options such as the forgiveness after 25 years (or 20 years under the pay as you earn), military, discharge due to disability and death since we all know that bankruptcy will not do a thing to your student loans. The reality is, no matter what plan you do, you will still be stuck with about the same amount as you would owe if you paid it over 25 years. Lets say I pay the IBR over 25 years which would really only cover interest, the forgiven amount would be taxed by the IRS as income and with approx 250000 I would pay the IRS close to 90000 in addition to all the payments I've made over the last 25 years. One can argue that inflation would offset the costs and there are many ways to re-calculate what paths can be taken to repay loans but in the end, you will pay what you owe with much more in interest. Needless to say, the more you owe in the beginning the more you will pay in interest.

    plan: after ruling out the more outlier options, such as working 24 hrs a day 7 days a week and God forbid ending things more permanently, I sat down and re-evaluated how I can reach a balance at a reasonable time with do-able solutions. I decided on re-location to job options that would yield the highest income with the lowest cost of living. I took a job that will yield approx $135,000 working 6 days a week. The numbers would allow me to pay off about 65K a year in debt. My plan is to reduce, not eliminate my debt, to a level that I consider sustainable which I've set a goal to about 120K, which is still much, much more than what most of you owe at this point. What's hard about this 'plan' is again to internalize the fact that I will be slaving away for a corporation 6 days a week for 2.5-3 years, and I'm again, being irrationally fearful, that I might not be able to hack through it and somehow get sick and lose my job and so on and so on. It is not easy work, although I do enjoy it, and again it's a difficult task to achieve between being as satisfied as possible from your workplace to simply being burned out. I can read as much as I want about people who survives these 6 hour work weeks, or even 7, to find inspiration but in the end, nothing matters as much as if you can get yourself to mentally and physically prepared for it. I think setting a goal to reach in a reasonable amount of time and reasonable and do-able efforts would make things more possible. For awhile I've lost interest in all things that used to make me happy, such as food, movies, outdoors. I hope to steadily regain full happiness when doing the things that I enjoy and hopefully as the loans start to be chipped away that I can actually fully soak in the wonders this world has to offer rather than dwelling constantly in student loan problems.

    3 years. it's as long or as short as one wants to make of it. i hope we all find hope and happiness while working hard to achieve our goals : )
  • Hi guys. I heard there were some web sites that you join to help you pay off debt. They do some kind of reward system for debt paid off. Does anyone here know about them?

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