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Are you dating or have you dated a financial frog?
  • Are you or have you ever dated a person who:

    1. Is in major credit card debt and has no plan to pay it off?
    2. Chronically overspends?
    3. Is frequently unemployed?
    4. Declared bankruptcy or was foreclosed on?
    5. Lies about his finances?
    6. Borrows from you and everyone else?

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  • Yes! I was engaged to an idiot when I was 19. I was making 14 an hour and he was making 10, no kids, we both had cars. But he was a show off, liked to trade in his car every couple of months, leaving his credit upside down. He told me he would take care of car insurance. I didn't find out until I was in an accident that we didn't have any and that my license plates were "borrowed". He'd made a stupid deal with some street thug to save a few bucks. He tried to buy a car in my name without my permission. He wouldn't put in on bills but would drop big bucks to pay for a dress to show me off in. I realized that if I married this guy, we'd always be in the poorhouse. I called off the wedding, but not soon enough. At 28, I'm still paying down the debt he ran up in my name.
  • OH man, I read this list and it seems like I was running a financial community service with a bunch of the people I have dated. Many when I was young and naive but still.
    I am currently engaged and my fiance and I have been dating for over 6 years. His financial health is not bad but not ideal either. He certainly has good qualities such as no credit card debt, he saves before he spends (because he likes good things), he always asks my opinion about a purchase (even though is with his own money) and he keeps an emergency fund. However, there are some things I worry about ..some of them we are working on and others still need to be addressed. He has no debt because he doesn't have credit cards (does not like the idea) which is good but makes him not have a credit history...after all this time he finally listened to me and open himself a secure credit card and he has been quite good at making payments. When I talk about budgeting he thinks I am rushing when we are just starting out..he doesn't get the point that it doesn't take thousands to budget and save for retirement and the more you do it the less you worry about money. What annoys me is that he contributes with our common expenses but not in an organized manner..he pays for car repairs or food or bills but not always the same amount which screws up my system and when we talk about it he things I am telling him he is not helping when he does. And the last thing that is worrying me is that since he got laid off from a good job he was at for 4 years he has been bouncing around from job to job with periods of unemployment in between. He is really talented but not good at selling his skills aside from still feeling self-pity from being laid off. I want to help him because I feel he just need a push but I think that by trying to help I am been bitchy and unreasonable (to his credit he followed me when I went to grad school and has been by my side in the good and the bads). I am finally done and settled with a job but I feel he hasn't find his financial stability partly because he never had a good foundation about money in his family and partly because he feels lost and depressed about his situation. Help please...where can we go to get him out of this hole...it kills me seeing someone with so much potential not having a stable job and this is my future husband so WE need to do something about it..I am just not sure what
  • Honestly, I don't know what do to about my BF. I love him dearly - he's a wonderful guy with an incredible amount of potential.

    Now, to his credit (no pun intended), he got the shaft in his divorce, started a company with a partner and it went under. He's working THREE jobs. But he's not getting ahead

    He's in credit counseling but I think that's not going to work out because the payments are still too high. He's asked me for money, but I've not loaned him any. (I may give him some money for his birthday to fix something he bought for his kid).

    Even though he has three jobs and says he's taking the right steps, he's still bouncing checks, floating them when he can. It's same old story every week.

    He wants me and my kids to move in eventually and I'm not doing that because his house is a wreck (no money for repairs) and I don't want to set it up where is looks like my alimony is supporting him and his kids. I'm also not taking away from my kids to take care of him and his kids.

    The only thing that is saving this relationship now is that I'm stuck in the middle of a divorce and I haven't had to tell him outright that I WILL NOT move in, etc because right now I can use the excuse that I CAN NOT.

    I keep hoping with time, he will turn things around, but lately, I doubt that will happen.
  • Oh, yes.

    I was in a serious, long-distance, long-term relationship in college, and I learned some very tough financial lessons.

    When he was unemployed and hit financial hard times, I paid his rent more than once, and paid for many of his incidental expenses. It was not a gift. We were not living together, and we did not have joint finances of any sort. It was very clear this was a loan. We discussed repayment many times. I was working several part-time jobs to make sure I didn't got into debt myself, and I was making frequent 3 hour trips between our colleges to visit him.

    However, that repayment kept taking longer and longer. At one point he asked me if I'd rather he used his tax return to repay me, or to buy an engagement ring. Because the younger version of myself was naive, much too trusting, and not so financially-savvy as my current self, I said OF COURSE I'd like the engagement ring. I was walking on air because I was sure I was getting a proposal soon!

    Like the repayment on the original loan, time kept dragging on. After holding in my disappointment for several months, I exploded at his friend's party, a week before Valentine's Day. Completely disregarding any sense of social graces, I sobbed and sobbed in his friend's kitchen because he hadn't "put a ring on it." He was upset that I was so hurt, but he explained why there had been such a wait: he'd already spent his tax return. He didn't pay me back for my loan, AND he didn't use the purchase of an engagement ring to offset his debt to me.

    You'd think that would have been the end of this boyfriend financial saga, but it wasn't. As I said, younger me was a very different person, and I really, really wanted this to work out. This person was (clearly) not great with money, and I was hurt by his actions. But, I saw plenty of other good qualities in him, and I was always ready to come to his defense when anyone expressed concern or criticism. I found plenty of other people and circumstances to blame for his problems, but didn't really blame him.

    Our relationship took some twists and turns, and we broke up and got back together at one point. After we got back together, we were both entering our last year of college. He had an issue with his student loans, and his funding for college was cut off right before his school started.

    I wanted to help him, and was really worried about what might happen if he couldn't go to school to finish his degree, and I called my mother to vent. She's a very smart, very compassionate woman, and she had no idea about the earlier loan that hadn't been repaid, or the broken promise of an engagement ring. She was and is very careful with her money, and she had funds set aside to pay for her own tuition. (She went back to school to get a masters degree to increase her salary potential.) During that conversation, she said, "I'm someone who wants to invest in people," and she offered to pay his 1st semester's tuition. My parents had him sign a promisory note to them, that detailed how much they were loaning and how and when they expected him to be repaid. They also expected him to seek out financial aid for his 2nd semester.

    For one reason or another, he wasn't able to secure financial aid from the school or through grants/loans for the 2nd part of the year, so my parents extended their loan. They paid for an entire year of college tuition, plus room and board.

    Graduation was in 2010, and to date he hasn't paid my mother back anything on that loan, and he's only made a few small, scattered payments on what he owed me on a loan that started in 2007.

    We ended our relationship for good right after I graduated college in 2010 and moved to a different state. Before our breakup, I made excuse after excuse for him and his financial issues. With time and (more) distance, I started to realize just how ridiculous it really was. It was not a relationship of equals. I was trying to be someone's mother, when what I really wanted was to be someone's partner. Because I continued to make excuses and convince myself his behavior wasn't a problem, I got my mother involved. The part I regret the most is how much of her trust I lost through her unpaid loan to him.
  • My husband is NOT a financial frog. He's not manipulative or a liar.

    But I have to admit sometimes I get frustrated with our situation. We both did a credit check before we got married four years ago, because I felt we needed to be honest and open financially if we were going to get married. I had a great score, but his was in the low 600s because of a credit card he never cancelled which he apparently owed $25.00 on...he felt foolish, but luckily found out about it at that time.

    I took a leap of faith because when we got engaged he was working odd jobs but I had the good job with benefits. Then he got a great job but quit after 2 years to go back to school full time for a 2nd bachelor's degree. I'd bought my condo before we ever met, so the agreement has been I pay the mortgage. I refinanced recently and due to that situation, refinanced in my name only. He tries to help financially when he can, but obviously has largely been living off of student loans and a meager stipend from doing lab work for the past couple of years, and also I've been giving him a monthly allowance as well.

    He then decided to go on for his master's degree...let's just say I feel like I've been really patient as he pursues his academic goals. He is a great student (won "outstanding student of the year" this year in his department) but I am SO looking forward to the day he is finished with school and gets a good job. I do feel that having been through this I could definitely support a child, so I'm not really worried about that - only problem is he feels he needs more time until children because he's not started his career. But if I let him wait until he feels really "established," we'll both be in our mid 30s. I don't want to be pushy, but I don't really want to wait that long.

    Meanwhile, I've got my own financial dragons to slay - I incurred a chunk of credit card debt, and while I've been a great saver, I haven't paid off my debts yet (although I am on track to get them paid off by next year). All I can say is life is not easy, even when you've got a lot of good things going for you.
  • I love my bf with all my heart. Financial problems have come across our relationship quite frequently recently and I completely don't know what to do.

    We argue mostly because he needs a job, he would always say "I want to work!" and since I got this new incredible job, he has been showing signs of jealously and depression.

    I consider myself a large support when comes to his life situations, such as, I asked him to live with me, so he is, I state first that I will pay the bills till he gets financially stable to help, but he is collecting unemployment and the last check comes next week!

    We argue to the point where I never thought I would raise my voice so loud and scream my head off!! Im stuck and need help!!

    Whats best for me to do or say to my potential bf of a year and a half. I see great things in him, but he doesn't see it himself.

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